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Oleh Pokalchuk: "Civilian society is much more psychopathic than the military"

The number of Ukrainians who are not ready to endure current problems for the sake of victory has risen to 14% in 2024; another 26% are ready to endure for a limited time. These figures were announced by the director of the Institute of Sociology of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, Yevhen Holovakha, in early January. He also noted that almost a third of the population is in a state of distress (a feeling of destructive stress that affects activity and psychological state). We asked social and military psychologist Oleh Pokalchuk to comment on these figures during the discussion panel Ukrainian Society in the Fourth Year of the Great War held as part of the joint project of LB.ua and EFI Group New Country. He discussed the impact of fatigue on social behaviour, the difference in the moods of civilians and the military, and what to do about it.

 Oleh Pokalchuk, social and military psychologist
Photo: Oleksandr Ratushnyak
Oleh Pokalchuk, social and military psychologist
"It would be incorrect for me to give data on military personnel. For obvious reasons. I can speak in general, about the average temperature in the ward.

There is a general scale of depression and anxiety, which is distributed approximately evenly in the population, minus clinical diseases. According to the international scale of diseases, schizophrenia and paranoia account for 1.5%. This is a small percentage. And everyone who is called schizophrenic and paranoid is a kind of popular journalism, it is not connected with reality," Oleh Pokalchuk described the general state of society.

"There are affective states. There is a state of massive, I would say, reactive psychosis. But the thing is that strong affective constrictions are short-lived. That is, everything that inflates quickly deflates quickly.

To make it simpler, clearer, and less pretentious: mental trauma, psychological trauma, and the consequences of traumatic events are the same as physical trauma. Their healing depends on the individual properties of the organism or social group. People who are in the same traumatic situation experience similar episodes, react differently, have different behavioural disorders or do not have them. This also happens," the psychologist explained.

But, in his opinion, civilians today are more likely to be psychopathic than the military.

"If we are talking about reflexivity, then civil society, civilian society is much more psychopathic than the military. According to my observations. It has its own traumas, of course. There are, let's say, existential situations of life and death, where black and white thinking prevails: there are yours, there are all the others. And here the scales are not comparable," the psychologist notes.

He also sees no threat of a serious conflict between civilians and the military after the war ends.

 Panelists
Photo: Oleksandr Ratushnyak
Panelists
"I would say that nothing special will happen. Do you know why? Because from the point of view of military personnel, let me generalise a little bit, what is there in your wonderful civilian society that would make me leave everything, my brothers, my sisters and my friends and run to you? For what? Over the years, I've had my own party, my own friends, with whom I can be silent and talk. That means there will be no conflict," said Oleh Pokalchuk. Commenting on the impact of this psychopathic nature of people on their behaviour, the psychologist noted that ‘there is a very strong distance between a change in mood and a change in behaviour, a fundamentally large one, and in the Ukrainian mentality especially, when much is said about it, little is done.

"Emotions are channeled through the press and through a democratic society, through ranting, through shit, through endless quarrels. It's a way of letting off steam," said Pokalchuk.

"And when a person experiences severe emotional fatigue, it is necessary to understand its causes, whether there is an imitation of suffering among them.

 Oleh Pokalchuk, social and military psychologist
Photo: Oleksandr Ratushnyak
Oleh Pokalchuk, social and military psychologist

"Look, when people say to me, ‘I'm depressed,’ I say, ‘If you were really depressed, you wouldn't even be able to say the word. This is what is called depression in the clinical sense of the word - a disease that is treated with medication. You're just in a bad mood. A very bad mood. Or a very, very bad mood.

That is, we use dramatic words to describe our newly acquired attitudes (a tendency to perceive social objects or situations in a certain way - Ed.) We believe in them ourselves, because we cannot touch them. We do nothing about it.

When you experience an illusory trauma, not a concrete one, and empathise empathically, your self-esteem increases: ‘I am also suffering’. A person who suffers has no time for reflection. They are in so much pain that they only have profanity in their head and in their words. And these imitations of suffering are so quasi-religious. Religious people reflect this normally. So I will suffer too. I will share my suffering with someone, maybe someone will feel better. You are simply multiplying your own suffering and that of others. You can multiply it if you want," said Oleh Pokalchuk.

 Oleh Pokalchuk, social and military psychologist
Photo: Oleksandr Ratushnyak
Oleh Pokalchuk, social and military psychologist

In general, he summed up, nothing is happening to Ukrainian society that would not have happened to societies during the First and Second World Wars. This is a general dynamic: the development of society follows the laws of nature described by mathematics. The only thing is that the emotional content becomes more meaningful to us than the meaning of what we say. We need to be more rational about everything.

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