"The occupiers are trying to get inside the plant to find the fortification entrance, where the civilians were hiding earlier."
On 9 May 2022, the russian invaders announced a so-called "parade" in Mariupol. But instead, as you aptly put it, a carnival came out. Please tell us in more detail.
Indeed, what happened, I guess, can not be called otherwise than a carnival. But, as far as we understand, we disrupted their "parade" by sharing information.
What was happening? There was a march. They stretched a three-hundred-meter St. George's ribbon [St. George ribbon - russian pro-war symbol] and carried this sheet along Nakhimov Avenue. This is the Prymorskyi district of Mariupol, the one that probably suffered the least shelling, occupation, and war actions in general. They brought it to the fascism victims' monument; there is one in the city, the so-called "kulaky" ["fists"]. An eternal light was lit there, using the light that seemed to have been brought from Moscow. After that, the carnival was over.
But there are a lot of interesting details. For example, Pushylin and the member of the russian parliament, Sablin, were carrying this sheet. He is from Mariupol but has been the "curator" of the "russian Spring" since 2014 in Mariupol. There was, of course, our self-proclaimed city mayor Ivashchenko. But the main thing is the people they brought with them: the so-called state volunteers, the "United russia" volunteers, "Molod Donbasy" ["Donbas Youth"] volunteers, these are all those who receive money directly from the russian budget. They were used for the crowd scene and to carry this sheet. There were no locals. Well, maybe 20 people, but not enough to say "there were locals." It means the citizens of Mariupol did not support this carnival at all.
Are the "volunteers" russians brought from the so-called "LDPR" (Luhansk and Donetsk Peoples Republics)or Russia?
The vast majority are russians. These are the people who are currently being used in Mariupol, and as I understand it, not only in Mariupol but also in the occupied territories, to ensure loyalty to the russian occupation authorities. Besides, in Mariupol, they are involved in the internal filtration process, which began in the police or militia departments of the so-called "DPR" in the city and not only in the filtration camps around it. Basically, these are the same young political influence agents whose purpose is to ensure a more loyal attitude toward the occupiers.
You mentioned that filtering occurs not only at the exits from the city - for those who want to leave Mariupol, but also in the city itself. This information is new; please tell us in detail.
This is happening because one needs at least two permits to stay in Mariupol and move freely around the city. The first permit means that you have passed the filtration, and the second one is issued by the russian commandant's office of Mariupol and gives you the right to move around the city. Until last week, it was possible to get a filtration permit only in the filtration camps in Manhush, Yalta, Nikolske - a Mariupol district, and the village of Bezimenne (Novoazovsk district), which has been occupied since 2014. So, first, one had to go to this filtration camp, go through the filtration procedure, get a permit, return to the city, go to the commandant's office with this permit and get another permit to be able to move around the city.
Now, since the Head of the "militia" or "police" in Mariupol has been appointed, and four departments of the "Ministry of Internal Affairs" of the so-called "DPR" have been created, people who do not plan to leave Mariupol can go through the filtration procedure there. This simplifies obtaining a filtration permit and a permit that allows moving around the city. The so-called "volunteers" of "United Russia" are involved in the work of these departments.
Who is the Head of the so-called "militia" in Mariupol now?
There is such a person in Mariupol (Mr. Abroskin wrote a lot about him) - a former police officer, Mr. Morhun. Strangely as it sounds, he seemed to fight the occupiers back in 2014, then sided with them when Mariupol was liberated in 2014, fled to Novoazovsk, and stayed there all this time. Since Mariupol had been occupied again, he returned and acted as a governor of the village of Vynohradnytske. Now the russian occupiers have appointed him as the Head of the "police" of Mariupol.
The so-called "parade" coincided with the bombing of "Azovstal," where Ukrainian defenders are staying. What is the situation there now?
According to the information we have, the assault continues. Let's see what means the assault of "Azovstal": it is heavy artillery bombardment, it is howitzers of large caliber firing rounds from the outside of the city, it is missile strikes launched from ships that stay near the port of Azov, and most importantly - constant aerial bombardment, including heavy bunker-buster bombs, that weight up to a ton. And this is going on every day. During short breaks, the occupiers try to get inside the plant to find the entrance to the fortification, where civilians were hiding.
At the same time, our defenders fight back; sometimes, their strikes are very powerful because the russian occupiers have to close half of the Livoberezhnyi district, which is next to "Azovstal." Now the shelling and bombing continue. We will see what will happen next when our defenders get in touch when there is information from the military leadership of Ukraine. As a public authority and people who have sources inside, we can only observe and record what is happening.
The Minister for the Reintegration of the Temporarily Occupied Territories, Iryna Vereshchuk, announced that all civilians were evacuated from "Azovstal." There are wounded soldiers and medics there, and the next step of the Ukrainian authorities is to try to take them out through the mediation of the UN and the Red Cross. However, are all civilians evacuated? Earlier, the militaries, talking about the situation at "Azovstal," explained that the bunker fortifications are branched, not connected, and sometimes even the militaries do not know about the civilians who are in one or another place of "Azovstal."
I truly hope that all civilians have been evacuated from "Azovstal" because this is a huge and branched area. The plant covers 11 square kilometers where there are a lot of infrastructure objects, including bomb shelters of different levels, places to hide, and mazes. That is why I understand that all civilians people knew about were evacuated. Besides, this is not just information from the Deputy Prime Minister; this is information from our defenders, who heroically helped make this evacuation possible. There is another story about how it happened.
You probably know that during the last evacuation, three guys died because they came under fire. And before the guys took out the civilians and returned to the bunker, russian snipers were shooting at them. That is right; russia does not follow any proper regime of silence; there is no civilized attitude or rules. The evacuation would not have occurred if not for the Ukrainian military. Therefore, yes, we hope that all civilians are finally outside the "Azovstal" plant.
On the other hand, it poses an even greater danger to our militaries. Although on the other hand, it may be a little easier for them as they do not need to take care of civilians while defending themselves.
"Russia withdrew a significant part of its troops from Mariupol and sent them to help in other areas where the russians are trying to move forward."
On Sunday, there was a big press conference of Ukrainian defenders talking from "Azovstal." They described the current situation, noting they lacked heavy weapons to continue resisting, but they still had some light weapons. Have the russians changed their tactics since 9 May 2022? Because everyone expected that on 9 May 2022, there would be a drastic change in one direction or another. You mentioned that the bombing continues. Have the tactics changed?
From what we see, the tactics have not changed. Probably, this is because russia withdrew a significant part of its troops from Mariupol and sent them to help in other areas of the Donetsk region, where the russians are trying to move forward. Therefore, they are in no hurry. We observed that they began to act a little differently and slowed down only during the evacuation under the aegis of the UN. But now the tactics is the same - the russians are trying to siege "Azovstal" as much as possible and destroy everything as much as possible. And I think they hope that when they get inside "Azovstal," they will bomb our defenders so that no one resists. Because when there is resistance on the ground, the russians are losing even when our defenders lack heavy weapons.
Are there any other hot spots in the city except for "Azovstal"? We know from our defenders that there were street combats on the outskirts of "Azovstal," which is partially surrounded by residential areas. What is the situation there now?
Today it is quiet. In most cases, it is about "Azovstal," but this is the area where the guys would go from time to time, conducting powerful counter strikes and pushing the enemy very far. We will see what happens next. We hope that they continue to resist the occupiers effectively. But we understand how difficult it is for them now… It's just that our hearts are being torn into pieces when we talk about "Azovstal." This is a separate story about the guys that probably all Mariupol residents know, at least all the pro-Ukrainian citizens. People know many of our defenders from different military units: "Azov," 36th [36th Marine Brigade], patrol police, territorial defense units, and our border guards. This topic is very painful for every Mariupol resident.
What is happening to the civilian population that remains in Mariupol? How many people are there?
Today the population of the city has increased to about 150 thousand. Last week, according to our estimations, this number varied from 100 to 130 thousand. It happened because the russians closed all the evacuation corridors for those Mariupol residents who were waiting in the Mariupol district, Berdiansk; people were forced to return home to their apartments if they still existed. So the population has grown slightly. I think there are about 150 thousand Mariupol residents in the city now. Some of them stay near Mariupol, in coastal villages.
What percentage of the city's housing stock survived? How many apartments and houses are suitable to live in?
It is very difficult to say because 95-96% of the entire housing stock is damaged. 50% of the housing stock is unfit for living. It's difficult to say because sometimes half of the building is missing, and another half is still standing, so people come and live there. Or, if a missile hits the building, there can be a situation when some apartments are destroyed, and some are not; several floors are destroyed, and several are not. It is very difficult to evaluate. There are around 10% of the housing stock suitable for living. I'm talking about private houses and multi-storey residential buildings, where you can enter and at least stay because everything else is difficult to evaluate.
If even the building survived, it probably has no windows, and there is no glass to glaze them again. It looks more like a civilized cave than a home.
You said that the russians blocked the opportunity to leave the city and even those waiting for it had to return. Do I understand correctly that evacuation as such is impossible today?
In fact, yes. Some people may break through; sometimes, they even walk from Vasylivka to Zaporizhzhia. There are such cases. Or, at their own risk, they leave using ground roads, despite the danger of tripping a mine or coming under fire. But the organized evacuation has not taken place for almost two weeks now. Yesterday, when the UN convoy was transporting Mariupol citizens evacuated from "Azovstal" from Bezimenne to Zaporizhzhia, they were accompanied by about seven armored vehicles of the russian special forces. On their way, several thousand Mariupol residents were waiting at the roundabout in the direction of Berdiansk. And they (buses - SK) did not even stop. They passed by. The buses that passed by were half empty. They could have picked up 1000-1500 people.
Even in situations like this one, people are not allowed to evacuate, not to mention the organization of "green" [evacuation, humanitarian] corridors and letting the people leave. Even private vehicles are no longer allowed. This window is completely closed today. Therefore, people have to return and become hostages of the russian army.
What do we know about those Ukrainians, citizens of Mariupol, who are stuck in the so-called filtration camps? How many are they, and what awaits them?
This is a separate horror story. There are filtration camps for people who did not pass the filtration process in Mariupol. These are pro-Ukrainian activists, law enforcement officers, the military, etc. At least 10% of all people that go through the filtration procedure do not pass it. We are trying to discover their location, get in touch with them, and include them in the prisoners of the war exchange process. It is a difficult story.
The largest filtration camp is in the Novoazovsk district. There are about 2 thousand people there. They have been there for almost four weeks now. They are Mariupol citizens. Only men. The russians keep them in inhumane conditions; they sleep on the floor in the school. The only hygiene thing available for them is one tap with cold water. They are wearing the same clothes they were wearing a month ago when they arrived there because there is no possibility of washing things. They perform community services in Bezimenne. Nobody knows what will happen to them. They are lined up and counted twice a day; they cannot leave the camp alone.
When asked why they are being kept there and what awaits them, the russian militaries do not give any specific answer. The russians say these people will either be involved in forced labor on dismantling the debris and restoring the factories or forced to join the so-called "DPR" army. Earlier, the russians planned to use these people in a parade of the prisoners of war on 9 May 2022, but something went wrong. This is a terrible story. Basically, these people have no rights because the one who decides everything is a man with an automatic rifle. Given the lack of institutions, it is still a big question about how to deal with this, what to do, how to bring them back, and how to fight for them. It is a big task for us.
There is also a problem with those citizens who were deported to the territory of the russian federation. We are talking about 1.5m Ukrainians. This is genocide. Experts say the place of those who left is to be taken by russians from remote areas of the russian federation to create the effect of their presence here. The same way happened in Crimea after the annexation. Are there cases in Mariupol when people from the territory of the russian federation start moving to the city?
No, there are no such facts. I can't say for other parts of already occupied Ukraine. Perhaps such an expert opinion is relevant to the Zaporizhzhia or Kherson regions, which basically did not suffer from the war actions, but this is definitely not true about today's Donetsk region.
There is nowhere to return to Mariupol; there is no place to live. The russians cannot build or rebuild the city; it needs a crazy amount of money. A lot of money. Several hundred billion dollars, so that some russians could move here.
We know about a slightly different situation. The russians have already deported more than 40,000 people from Mariupol; this number is getting close to 50,000. The occupiers are deporting people to economically depressed regions of russia, to regions where the demographic situation is awful. The Ukrainians have to do either low-skilled work or very unpopular work there. This looks more like Ostarbeiters' work in Nazi Germany. In this way, the russians are improving their demographic situation, "injecting" some human resources into their economy, first of all, the regional economy.
The situation is getting worth because the more Ukrainians go to russian regions, the more money those regions receive from their stinky government. So, it is not very similar to reverse assimilation when they bring russians to live here. It is the opposite one. There are many conversations that people hear in the city from the russian militaries; the words of prisoners of war prove that Mariupol is not needed. There is no point in doing something here, restoring something. It is no longer strategically interesting for the russians, especially after they realized they could not even use the plateau.
I wanted to ask about the port because Mariupol is a point they can't leave behind; they need it for logistics.
Theoretically, yes. But the russians cannot use the port. Only one port crane survived; everything else was damaged. This is the same as getting new ones - you can't repair the damaged ones.
At the entrance to the port, our large ship was sunk to prevent the occupiers from entering. I mean, some small ships, 1-3 of them, still can enter, but a bigger one, like a river/sea class vessel, cannot do so, and this stops navigation from the port of Azov. It takes time, money, and resources to get the sunk ship out and unlock the port. This is something definitely unavailable during the war. Therefore, perhaps, they can use parts or the entire shop floors of "Azovmash" or "Illich Steel and Iron Works" to repair their heavy equipment - tanks and armored personnel carriers. Theoretically, it is possible. But it is not necessary to keep such a big city, more than 100 thousand people, to feed them. This does not make sense. There is no need to keep such a city if there is no port. Today it is just a point on the map in the triangle of Donetsk - Rostov - Crimea.
I wanted to ask about the port because Mariupol is a point they can't leave behind; they need it for logistics.
Theoretically, yes. But the russians cannot use the port. Only one port crane survived; everything else was damaged. This is the same as getting new ones - you can't repair the damaged ones.
At the entrance to the port, our large ship was sunk to prevent the occupiers from entering. I mean, some small ships, 1-3 of them, still can enter, but a bigger one, like a river/sea class vessel, cannot do so, and this stops navigation from the port of Azov. It takes time, money, and resources to get the sunk ship out and unlock the port. This is something definitely unavailable during the war. Therefore, perhaps, they can use parts or the entire shop floors of "Azovmash" or "Illich Steel and Iron Works" to repair their heavy equipment - tanks and armored personnel carriers. Theoretically, it is possible. But it is not necessary to keep such a big city, more than 100 thousand people, to feed them. This does not make sense. There is no need to keep such a city if there is no port. Today it is just a point on the map in the triangle of Donetsk - Rostov - Crimea.
I wanted to ask about the port because Mariupol is a point they can't leave behind; they need it for logistics.
Theoretically, yes. But the russians cannot use the port. Only one port crane survived; everything else was damaged. This is the same as getting new ones - you can't repair the damaged ones.
At the entrance to the port, our large ship was sunk to prevent the occupiers from entering. I mean, some small ships, 1-3 of them, still can enter, but a bigger one, like a river/sea class vessel, cannot do so, and this stops navigation from the port of Azov. It takes time, money, and resources to get the sunk ship out and unlock the port. This is something definitely unavailable during the war. Therefore, perhaps, they can use parts or the entire shop floors of "Azovmash" or "Illich Steel and Iron Works" to repair their heavy equipment - tanks and armored personnel carriers. Theoretically, it is possible. But it is not necessary to keep such a big city, more than 100 thousand people, to feed them. This does not make sense. There is no need to keep such a city if there is no port. Today it is just a point on the map in the triangle of Donetsk - Rostov - Crimea.
I wanted to ask about the port because Mariupol is a point they can't leave behind; they need it for logistics.
Theoretically, yes. But the russians cannot use the port. Only one port crane survived; everything else was damaged. This is the same as getting new ones - you can't repair the damaged ones.
At the entrance to the port, our large ship was sunk to prevent the occupiers from entering. I mean, some small ships, 1-3 of them, still can enter, but a bigger one, like a river/sea class vessel, cannot do so, and this stops navigation from the port of Azov. It takes time, money, and resources to get the sunk ship out and unlock the port. This is something definitely unavailable during the war. Therefore, perhaps, they can use parts or the entire shop floors of "Azovmash" or "Illich Steel and Iron Works" to repair their heavy equipment - tanks and armored personnel carriers. Theoretically, it is possible. But it is not necessary to keep such a big city, more than 100 thousand people, to feed them. This does not make sense. There is no need to keep such a city if there is no port. Today it is just a point on the map in the triangle of Donetsk - Rostov - Crimea.
"They are ready for the scenario of integration directly into russia"
How do the occupiers govern the city? How does this happen? You said that the russians created the so-called "militia," and what about other governing bodies?
They created a so-called new "mayor's office," headed by Mr. Ivashchenko, a former member of the political party OPEL (Opposition Platform — For Life). In fact, he is a russian agent who worked with Sablin. And there is another person who has always been the curator and author of the "russian spring." I think he is a former deputy from the political party "Party of Regions" - Petro Ivanov, who now lives in Crimea. He is Sablin's partner. The two of them organized this in Mariupol. Ivashchenko and five other members of the OPEL party worked with him from the very beginning. He holds the position of the so-called city mayor.
In fact, he is more of a public figure; if you take the occupation of Donetsk as an example, he is Pasha Hubarev. He is unable to govern. He is just a person who stole from "Azovmash" everything left of it. We can call him a petty thief. When he was "Azovmash's" CEO, he served as entertainment for senior management. Another official stays beside him in the shadows. His name is Mr. Harmyshev; he is the Secretary to the Council or the Deputy City Mayor; he is also the Head of the Mariupol amalgamated community. He is the brain that controls everything in the city, all appointments. He pulls the strings after Pushylin and makes sure everything is under control. However, he avoids publicity.
Kostiantyn Ivashchenko
There was information that some private enterprises in the Rostov region received requests to manufacture seals for "state" institutions of Mariupol. These seals had the inscription "Russia, Donetsk Republic, Mariupol." Have these seals already been delivered to schools, civil registration offices, hospitals, etc.?
Not yet. In general, there is a big problem with the bureaucracy, with the organization of the whole process. Nothing is properly done. But in Mariupol and Mariupol district, children are already signing their notebooks "Mariupol, Rostov region." This is reliable information. We do not see attempts to integrate Mariupol into the so-called "DPR" government system; Donetsk and Pushylin did not expect this. They are gradually integrating the city into russia, starting with school education. The textbooks are exclusively russian, written about russia, and published in russia. Russia advises everyone involved in teaching.
Even "Phoenix" (the mobile operator S.K.), which belonged to the so-called "DPR," was transferred to the russian code +7 on 7 May 2022; it will also be russian.
We see that there is a direct integration into russian government system. We do not doubt that this will happen. Furthermore, rumors are circulating behind the cameras that the self-proclaimed government is about to hold a "referendum" on determining the future of Mariupol or the entire Donetsk People's Republic, or whatever it is called.
Most likely, this will be the step when they become a part of russia. At least, they were waiting for Putin to announce it (in his speech on 9 May 2022 - S.K.), we were afraid that we would hear some hint of it from there, but there was nothing like that. That's why we are watching. But we are sure that Mariupol will face annexation, as well as the whole Donetsk region. Then, the game of satellites will be over.
There are three scenarios. The city is simply being wiped off the face of the earth, as you said at the beginning, because it no longer has strategic importance, especially without a port. The second scenario is that it will join the "DPR / LPR." And the third one is that it will integrate into russia. We discussed all three scenarios, but it is still unclear which one is the most likely to occur.
In my opinion, the russians also do not fully understand it. From what we see from the russion bureaucratic machine's actions, they are ready for the scenario of integration directly into russia. This is on the one hand. On the other hand, everything is "getting worth" because war actions continue, the war is not over, and plans to seize at least the Donetsk region, have not been achieved. And this is such an uncertain future we have today, which requires, among other things, a lot of resources.
There are two ways to control the occupied city. The first one is what we see in Melitopol or Kherson: there is a Gauleiter there, the russian national guard enters the city, russians suppress any processes, establish strict censorship, control, things like that. There is another way; it happens when the occupation troops are not so large, not so controlling, but they encourage the emergence of gangs of looters. These bands have leaders who are controlled by the russians. In this way, the occupiers ensure the order they need in the city. So far, in Mariupol, we see a second scenario because there are not enough people to control it. The city is too big, there are many people, and the occupiers can't afford to keep that many russian national guard officers in Mariupol today. Therefore, these factors suggest that they do not know what to do with Mariupol now: should it be joining russia, DPR, or just left as it is.
What is the humanitarian situation in the city? According to the information I have, two bathhouses have been functioning in the city since last week: one for men and one for women. 10-15 people can enter the bathhouse at once. The bathhouses are at least an attempt to prevent infectious diseases and medical catastrophe. Even the water supply in the city was partially restored.
Yes, the first reports came from the Skhidnyi (a district in Mariupol - S.K.) that the water supply has been restored there. The occupiers are repairing things; they are pulling a cable from Nikolske, trying to fix the energy supply for one of the pumping stations in the village of Staryi Krym; it is one of the three sources of water in the city. So the water will be back, but with some conditions, because without other pumping stations that were in the city before, there will be no pressure, and the water will simply flow through pipes. So it will be a matter of luck. Some will have water, and some will not.
But, again, another interesting story of how they do something and do not think about the consequences. The sewerage system in the city is clogged; sewage treatment plants and pumping stations do not work. Plus, there are a lot of broken water pipes and sewage collectors in the city due to the bombing of buildings. If the water pressure is a little higher, the city risks becoming a kind of Venice. But it will be Venice with feсes because the sewers volumes will go up. And having two open bathhouses, we can get a new wave of humanitarian catastrophe from where we did not expect it.
What is the situation with medical care? According to my information, there is only one functioning emergency hospital; it was damaged less than the others. And it does not function properly. There is also no electricity supply there, and there are problems with the water supply. And what about the medicines? Do they deliver them from Crimea?
There is another hospital. Mariupol Emergency Care Hospital has always worked. But they are strengthening the position of the so-called Second Hospital. It was a regional intensive care hospital. It is the one that was taken under control from the very beginning; the doctors there were taken hostages to treat the wounded occupiers. The russians have installed generators and bring water there. But I agree that the hospital does not function properly.
In fact, they deliver medicines from Donetsk and directly from Novoazovsk, Russia. But unfortunately, there is a lack of doctors. There are still a few Mariupol doctors who are doing their job. Some doctors are brought from Donetsk on a shift basis to treat the patients, but this is definitely not enough for the city. So, now they are trying to open another hospital in the building of the former maternity hospital in the Livoberezhnyi district. They brought there some equipment found in the Fourth Hospital, which is close to "Azovstal"; they stole the medical ventilators from there and sent them to russia.
From the medical point of view, the situation is critical. There are a lot of shelling victims, a lot of seasonal diseases, and a lot of chronic diseases. For the third month, people do not have proper caloric food, not to mention vitamins. It is better not to say anything about the quality of water because it is just a liquid substance, not the drinking water we are used to. And this, of course, deteriorates the immune system and worsens the situation with diseases. It looks like this is th
There were many negotiation rounds and attempts to bring several trucks of medicines to the city. The russians do not allow it. The medicines that are delivered (by the occupiers - S.K.) are distributed by russians without any prescription. It is like in the old joke: this is a pill for you to cure headache, and the other half of this pill you will use to treat your hand or your stomach. It is not difficult to understand what such self-treatment will lead to. The first shock will pass, diseases and infections will follow, and they will cling to each other; the population will be reduced not because of the shelling but because of the critical medical situation, unfortunately.
The russians allegedly deliver humanitarian aid to the city, especially food. But they do not say that the locals are forced to work to get this humanitarian aid. People are forced to dismantle the debris, and there are a lot of them in the city. While disassembling, city residents find 80 to 100 bodies under each building. And these are the bodies that have been lying there for a long time; now the weather has changed… What do you know about this?
Yes, they deliver humanitarian aid. They deliver about 5,000 rations of humanitarian aid a day. A ration includes half a loaf of bread and some pasta. But this is a very small quantity of food. We have 100-150 thousand people here, and they bring food for 5 thousand. Of course, it is not enough for people. So, they are forced to work at least to get food. And the first job was to disassemble the debris. It is something horrible.
When the mobile connection was restored, we talked to those who worked. Even strong men can't take it psychologically. They can't work for more than a week as they get a psychological breakdown and hysterics. People are already suffering psychologically, and this makes it worse. But there is nothing they can do about it, they have to feed their families, and there is no other way to get food. You either wait in lines and fight for these rations among thousands of others, or you work and get something to bring home at night for your kids to eat. It's just awful. It is hard to believe that this can happen.
Remember that sometimes the body is not entirely removed from under the debris. It is good if it is mummified. And if not? All these processes are natural and in full swing. It's just awful. When it started, people just took out the bodies and loaded them on carriages. Then the bodies were taken out, packed directly by the employees of the so-called "Ministry for Emergency Situations" of the "DPR" or russia. Now people are forced to pack them on their own and load them to take them to mass graves. I can't even imagine what it's like. Honestly.